The Internal Comms Podcast
Episode 07 - What social purpose (really) means
Running the UK’s largest retail and financial services network with more branches than all of the UK’s banks and building societies put together, the Post Office is at the heart of many communities. Above all, it’s a commercial business with a social purpose.
In episode seven, Katie speaks to Mark Davies, who heads up communications for this 370-year-old institution. With a background in local newspaper journalism, Mark became a special adviser in government before joining the Post Office seven years ago. Since then, he’s delivered some of the biggest change communications in the company’s history – transforming the Post Office so it remains relevant in a rapidly changing world.
Katie and Mark discuss what it means to be a special adviser, why more organisations are trying to find their purpose, the power of collaboration, the integration of internal and external comms and how to better support senior leaders as a communicator.
What attracted Mark to journalism [02:45]
His time at the Liverpool Echo in the aftermath of the Hillsborough disaster of 1989 [05:46]
‘I left journalism in 2004, but I still see myself first and foremost as a journalist and actually still think, “that’s a good story”’ [07:09]
‘Great journalism is all about storytelling. It’s all about great writing, but in a restricted space and being able to really tell a story in a quick, powerful, compelling way’ [07:39]
Mark’s transition to the world of politics [09:09]
His time as a special adviser to Jack Straw MP and Baroness Amos, then Leader of the House of Lords [10:15]
Learning the power of listening from politicians: ‘Listening to other people and taking in lots of different views. Reaching a decision ultimately, but being prepared to listen and being prepared to engage’ [11:23]
How Brexit has affected our ability to communicate with each other [12:16]
A commercial business with a social purpose – how the Post Office helps with loneliness: ‘Social purpose is in the DNA of the business’ [22:13]
Key characteristics of change communication [38:19]
The pros and cons of closer integration of internal and external comms [42:33]
The importance of collaboration across the business: ‘By listening and understanding what they want from communications, you’re in a much better position to influence them’ [49:29]
‘We write the story, but we’re not the story.’ Striking the balance between overseeing and embedding yourself [51:32]
Quick fire Q&As [54:15]
‘Be kind, for everyone is facing a struggle’ [55:52]
Links from this episode
Mark’s Post Office profile http://corporate.postoffice.co.uk/blog/markdavies
Follow Mark on Twitter @markdavies67
Mark’s blog about Middlesbrough Football Club
That Theodore Roosevelt quote: ‘It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.’
Season 3 Episode 2 - State of the Sector
February 19, 2020
Episode 02 - State of the Sector, Kevin McDougall and Andy Macleod - Season 3, ep2 - The Internal Comms Podcast.
Season 3 Episode 1 - The cheerleader for IC
February 5, 2020
Episode 01 - The cheerleader for IC, Chuck Gose - Season 3, ep1 - The Internal Comms Podcast.
The highlight reel – nuggets of wisdom from Season 1 and 2 of The IC Podcast
January 29, 2020
In this special compilation of The Internal Comms Podcast, Katie pulls together her favourite clips from both seasons – recapping conversations that have really resonated as well as those that have provided those all-important lightbulb moments.
Episode 08 - Advocacy in action
December 18, 2019
Episode 08 - Advocacy in action, Keith Lewis - Season 2, ep8 - The Internal Comms Podcast.
Episode 07 - The appliance of neuroscience
December 4, 2019
Episode 07 - The appliance of neuroscience, Hilary Scarlett - Season 2, ep7 - The Internal Comms Podcast.
Episode 06 - Editing organisations
November 20, 2019
Episode 06 - Editing organisations, Mike Klein - Season 2, ep6 - The Internal Comms Podcast.
Episode 05 - Black Belt Thinking
November 6, 2019
Episode 05 - Black Belt Thinking, Sue Dewhurst and Liam FitzPatrick - Season 2, ep5 - The Internal Comms Podcast.
Episode 04 - A Passage to India
October 23, 2019
Episode 04 - A Passage to India, Mark Hannant - Season 2, ep4 - The Internal Comms Podcast.
Episode 03 - The Power of Two
October 8, 2019
Episode 03 - The Power Of Two, Claire Hyde and Louise Wadman - Season 2, ep3 - The Internal Comms Podcast.
Episode 02 - How to start a movement
September 24, 2019
Episode 02 - How to start a movement, Nita Clarke - Season 2, ep2 - The Internal Comms Podcast.
Episode 01 - A check-up with the IC doctor
September 11, 2019
A check-up with the IC doctor, Kevin Ruck - Season 2, ep1 - The Internal Comms Podcast.
Season 02 Trailer
September 6, 2019
Season two of The Internal Comms Podcast is almost here!
Episode 12 – Listen and learn: insights from 30 years in IC
July 24, 2019
Listen and learn: insights from 30 years in IC with Jason Etter - ep12 - The Internal Comms Podcast.
Episode 11 - Putting the soul back into Patisserie Valerie
June 25, 2019
Putting the soul back into Patisserie Valerie with Paolo Peretti - ep11 - The Internal Comms Podcast.
Episode 10 - Internal comms at the sharp end - recorded at IoIC live
May 21, 2019
Internal comms at the sharp end - recorded at IoIC live with Martin Fitzpatrick and Matt Batten - ep10 - The Internal Comms Podcast.
Episode 09 - How to win colleagues and influence people
May 7, 2019
How to win colleagues and influence people with Harry Hugo - ep9 - The Internal Comms Podcast.
Episode 08 - The Joy of Work
April 23, 2019
The Joy of Work with Bruce Daisley - ep8 - The Internal Comms Podcast.
Episode 07 - What social purpose (really) means
April 9, 2019
What social purpose (really) means with Mark Davies - ep7 - The Internal Comms Podcast.
Episode 06 – The craft of communication
March 27, 2019
The craft of communication with Henry Normal - ep6 - The Internal Comms Podcast.
Episode 05 – Learning comms lessons from PR
March 13, 2019
Learning comms lessons from PR, featuring Stephen Waddington - ep5 - The Internal Comms Podcast.
Episode 04 – What it means to be the voice of IC
February 27, 2019
What it means to be the voice of IC, featuring Jennifer Sproul - ep4 - The Internal Comms Podcast.
Episode 03 – What the State of the Sector report means for IC
February 13, 2019
What the State of the Sector report means for IC, featuring Jenni Field - ep3 - The Internal Comms Podcast.
Episode 02 – What it takes to be an IC leader
January 30, 2019
What it takes to be an IC leader, featuring Russell Grossman – ep2 – The Internal Comms Podcast.
Episode 01 - How to thrive in IC
January 16, 2019
How to thrive in IC, featuring Rachel Miller – ep1 – The Internal Comms Podcast.